Is this progress?
The (NY) Times had the most annoying article in the paper today - and it wasn't even in the Thursday Styles section.It seems a slew of young women attending the nation's elite colleges are all set to ditch their careers once they start popping out the kids. Cynthia Liu, for example, is a Yale student who plans to go to law school, then be a stay-at-home mom by the time she's 30.
Hope that works out for you, Cindy.
Uzezi Abugo, in her first year at U. of Penn. and showing exactly the kind of breadth of experience I'd expect from a freshman Ivy Leaguer, is quoted as saying:
"I've seen the difference between kids who did have their mother stay at home and kids who didn't, and it's kind of like an obvious difference when you look at it."Then there's Sarah Currie, a senior at Harvard who said a lot of men in her American Family class approved of women staying home with the kids:
"A lot of the guys were like, 'I think that's really great,' " Ms. Currie said. "One of the guys was like, 'I think that's sexy.'"It's comforting to know that even at the nation's elite colleges, 19-year-olds are still idiots.
The Times interviewd 138 freshman and senior women at Yale via email. More than half of these women plan to work part time or quit work entirely when they have children, but said that "pursuing a rigorous college education was worth the time and money because it would help position them to work in meaningful part-time jobs when their children are young or to attain good jobs when their children leave home."
Good luck with that, my sisters.
(TWO of the 138 women expected their husbands to stay at home with the kids, and another two expected whoever was furthest along in his or her career to keep working while the other spouse quit.)
Here's what I know: In most fields, especially ones that Ivy-League-educated women enter into, part-time jobs are not easy to come by. And even if you do find an employer who is open to flexible schedules, you are likely to be discriminated against when it comes to work assignments because we live in a culture in which you're considered a slacker if you're not working at least 50 hours a week - and that doesn't include commute time. And if you want to come back to work after taking however many years off until the kids are in school, finding full-time work will be just as hard because you've been out of the game for awhile. You and your dusty credentials will be competing against young, ambitious folk who have been rolling with all the changes your field has undergone during the time you were away.
When people in this country say they think staying home to raise your kids is the most important job you can do, they're just blowing smoke up your ass. If it were true, there'd be more support for it, like paid maternity leave and assurances that you'll be welcomed back into the workforce when the kids are older. If it were true, you'd see a lot more men doing it.
And this is why it drives me crazy to read about young women like Angie Ku, who "talks nonchalantly about attending law or business school, having perhaps a 10-year career and then staying home with her children." According to the Times:
Ms Ku added that she did not think it was a problem that women usually do most of the work raising kids. "I accept things how they are," she said. "I don't mind the status quo. I don't see why I have to go against it."
At the very end of this long article, the Times tosses out one lone voice of reason, who sums up for me why this little trend is so horrifying:
"They are still thinking of this as a private issue; they're accepting it," said Laura Wexler, a professor of American studies and women's and gender studies at Yale. "Women have been given full-time working career opportunities and encouragement with no social changes to support it.
"I really believed 25 years ago," Dr. Wexler added, "that this would be solved by now."

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Amen, sister (or cousin, more accurately). Even smart women can easily fall prey to the stereotypes about what is expected of women in this society. I'd be even harsher against the Yale women you quote, but before casting stones, I must admit that AnnaRay's post about it being hard to become pregnant after 30 completely freaked me out and made me wonder about my own choices in life... until the real me spoke up and said "cut that crap out."
-Doctor Baby Nora
In my dream world, the Times would follow that sweet, naive thing around to see how many law firms are looking for someone who plans to spend a few years in the biz and then leave to have a child. That's exactly the attitude they try to encourage.
Yeah, but isn't feminism about doing what you want to do without worrying about what other people will think? It seems counterintuitive to go to Yale and then practice law for 7 years (enough time to make partner or not) and then to stay home, but if that's what she wants and she can afford it, why not? Sorry to play devil's advocate here, but I am trying to see her side of it too.
I hope her Mama told her that she cannot have it all- a perfect law career, a perfect wife, mother and daughter,leave her great job and then come back when she feels like it be a perfect mom and wife during all this...something has to give. Yweah, honey, do what you like, but be prepared for what comes next. The world is a ruthless place.
Wow. No cynicism from Vanessa, huh?
I still believe you can have it all, although I'm still waiting for that job offer from The New Yorker.
Feminism is about choice and equality. Like the professor said, these girls - and they do seem to be girls at this point - have plenty of choice when it comes to what they want to do with their lives, but they are not treated equally when it comes to child rearing. Women in this country are expected to bear the burden of raising the kids without much societal support, so they have to chose between career and family, while most men get to have both.
The real problem is not for these Ivy Leaguers in the article, who will most likely be affluent enough to stay home with the kids if they chose, but for women who have to go back to work when their babies are tiny so they can put food on the table, because this country does not mandate paid maternity leave. All you're guaranteed by law is that you'll have your job back after three months - and that's only if the company you work for employs more than 15 people.
I don't blame the women in the article so much for being cavalier in their selfishness. Like I said, 19-year-olds are idiots, and these girls will be confronted with the violent intrusion of reality on their expectations soon enough. But shame on the Times for parading such ignorant attitudes with barely a challenge to them, as if the role of working mothers in this country were in fact a private matter.
Maternity leave IS crap in this country. Nobody could argue with anyone over that point.
I know that it's discouraging for these women to plan their life like this, but if you honestly want to raise your child yourself, what other option is there in this work-obsessed country? It's the facts--if you want to be the one raising your child (which is important to some women), you can't be away for 50 hours of work and 10 hours of commute every week. It's fine to do both, but I know personally (coming from a family of a stay-at-home mom and a working dad) that you have a closer connection with your stay-at-home parent developed simply from the sheer amount of time you spend with him or her. Maybe this country is too work-obsessed for its own good, but right now you have to choose between spending your time with your child and spending it at work. And let's face it--how many women are going to choose full-time working over their children?
I don't think Judybat is arguing against staying home. I think her frustration is with young women of affluence and privilege taking their Ivy League educations for granted, and in the process perpetuating the myth among employers that you shouldn't hire women, no matter where they got their degrees, because they'll eventually go off to raise babies.
Well, that and the fact that women have to chose between career and kids because there's no flexibility in the workplace - and these intelligent, ambitious, potentially powerful women, (along with the NY Times,) just accept that.
And change their names after they get married! And wear veils at their weddings!
Let 'er rip, Judybat.
Oh no- here comes the rant on paper towels!
Good follow-up from Slate today: they point out that there's very little actual reporting around the piece. No surveys, no numbers, no nothing -- just tons on weasel words like "many" and "seems."
Thank goodness that someone is paying attention. That Slate article put me in such a good mood I won't even get started on paper towels, not to mention those other topics AR is trying to goad me with. Except I will say, because I can't help myself:
if you're not part of the solution, Sister, you're part of the problem.
I cannot bring myself to use paper towels. We need better system for child care AND elder care in this country as many of us will undoubtedly be sandwiched between generations. I did notice that the NYT article seemed to be the kind of article that kids write for a school paper. I did like Dr. Wexler saying that women are now handed all these opportunities but there exists no system to support those decisions. I wonder how single fathers or male couples with kids fare with regard to baby care.
As long as we're egging JB on to rant about stuff, can I make a request for the one about iceberg lettuce? I still remember this one vividly from a beach trip 10 years ago.
Wow, that's one from the archives, Jacob. I forgot all about it. Did my rant include a tangential tirade on the fact that whenever my mom, bless her heart, comes to visit, she leaves at least one head of the useless stuff behind in our fridge? And she always wraps it up in paper towels. That's like a triple play of rant-worthy violations.
I think chicks that go to college and work for a while, then devote their highest priority to the care of the household are sexy.
I think we all agree on that point. At least, all of us who like the ladies.
you mean there are people who don't like ladies?!
Yes, their names are usually Lance, Butch or Alphonso.
I beg to differ. Butch LOVES the ladies.
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